Uranium
Uranium
Mining shack
Deserted minehouse/ ??? ditch
Master 2110, Tape 2 TLS Herring gull (Larus argentatus) scavenging on railing of fishing boat. The bird picks at a cloth bag. Another Herring Gull walks along the guard rail.
"Caly"?? Open pit mining
Salt mining
Open pit mining
Potash
Ext. & Int. mining coup
Open iron pit
Open pit mining
Mining
Unknown
Baron pit not used
Mine & entrance
ON PREVIEW CASSETTE #991244 Salt beds
Mining mills
Mining
Wierton steel
Mining I from Neveda
Vulean iron mine complete
[00.41.29] Mr. HOGAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think this is perhaps the most important thing that -we have been debating since these current deliberations began. What is at. issue here is executive privilege. We know that throughout the Constitution there is the running theme of separation of powers, and checks and balances. There are three areas where the President has challenged executive privilege. One is against Congress -where there is a legislative purpose, and clearly he has a valid claim to executive privilege in that instance. He claimed it in the instance of the criminal prosecutions, and the Supreme Court has by a unanimous eight to nothing decision rejected his claim. If the Supreme Court rejected it in that instance, certainly the Supreme Court would reject his claim vis-a-vis the impeachment inquiry by this committee. I would not have. supported this article prior to the Supreme Court decision, but, now that we have it, there is no valid claim on the part of the President to ignore our subpenas. Now, heretofore I have had many discussions with my colleagues, Mr. Conyers of Michigan notably, who felt so very strongly about this and at that time the question of executive privilege was a debatable one. It no longer is. The historical precedent we are setting here is so great because in every future impeachment of a President. it is inconceivable that the evidence relating to that impeachment will not be in the hands of the executive branch which is under his controls. So I agree with the gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Seiberling if we do not pass this article today, the whole impeachment power becomes meaningless, Now, my friend from Wisconsin. Mr. Froehlich, says that we. should have gone to court to enforce our subpenas. Perhaps he is correct. Perhaps we should have. But in our system of justice, the individual who is mandated by the subpena has the right and the opportunity and the obligation, if he challenges that subpena, to move to quash the subpena. The President did not do that. He merely ignored it and having ignored it, the compulsion of our lawfully offered subpenas and still he has ignored them. I I would have hoped that, when the Supreme Court decision was handed down a few days ago he would have immediately delivered that Material to the House Judiciary Committee. He did not. So I urge that My colleagues support this article offered by Mr. McClory because if we do not, we will be for all time weakening the House of Representatives' power of impeachment. I yield back the balance of my time. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman has consumed 3 minutes and, incidentally , the Chair would like to state that its mathematics were not quite, right. The, gentlemen are entitled to 3 minutes and 35 seconds. Mr. HOGAN. Mr. Chairman, I will yield my 35 seconds to the next speaker in support of the article. The CHAIRMAN. We -will recognize them. I recognize the gentleman from New York, Mr. Fish. Mr. FISH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like at the, outset to say that I was one -who had not made up his mind, had no opinion, when the question -was put for or speaking either in favor of it or against this article. And to help me come to a conclusion, I would like to ask a couple, of questions, first of all, of counsel, and that is, if this-if there were no article III, what would be the effect in a trial in the Senate, of the Senate's ability to obtain the material that we have heretofore subpenaed? ? Mr. JENNER, Congressman--may I, Mr. Chairman? The CHAIRMAN. Jenner. Mr. JENNER. Congressman Fish, the. subpena facts discussed -would be admissible under article I Watergate and coverup, as part of the issue of continued coverup. However, since article I is Watergate and it does not afford an affirmative charge -with respect to the fact that the failure to respond to subpenas is an impeachable offense. In my judgment, if included under article I that would have made that article duplicitous So that if the committee is to recommend to the House an impeachment -with respect to the President's refusal to respond to the subpena, it is necessary that the committee state that in terms of a separate article. Mr. FISH. I thank the gentleman. My next question would be directed at the author, Mr. McCLORY. Mr. McClory, is it your view that if in the course of a trial in the Senate the--or before that, the President should voluntarily come forward with the material that we have heretofore subpenaed, that it would be possible for the managers on the part of the House to drop, this article? Mr. McCLORY. If the gentleman will yield, I will respond by saying emphatically yes. that the President has' been given all kinds of opportunities to come forward and even at that late stage if he came forward with the evidence there, is no reason why we could not drop the article III entirely. Mr. FISH. I thank the. gentleman. [00.47.30]
[00.52.41] The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from New York has expired. Mr. SMITH. How much time did I have? The, CHAIRMAN. Three minutes and 35 seconds. Mr. SMITH. I thought, our side had more time than the other. I have 4 minutes, is that not so, Mr. Chairman? Mr. RAILSBACK. Yes. He is in opposition. The CHAIRMAN. That is correct. I am sorry, the gentleman still has 25 seconds remaining. Mr. SMITH. Well, Mr. Chairman. I hope you did not take that out of my time. Of course, it will be said that this impeachment proceedings is not, a criminal case and, of course, it is not. But we must, admit it is in the nature. of a supercriminal case, since it involves charges of "treason, bribery. or other high crimes and misdemeanors," and the punishment, on conviction, requires removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy an office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States--truly a staggering punishment for any citizen. So, in the background of any court action to enforce our committee subpenas and, indeed, in the background of any proposed article of impeachment based on the President's partial 'failure to honor our subpenas there are at least the implications of the fifth amendment, that, the accused shall not be compelled to be a witness against himself. The CHAIRMAN. The time, has expired. I recognize the gentleman from Wisconsin Mr. Kastenmeier, for .3 minutes and 35 seconds. Mr. KASTENMEIER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I support this article of impeachment to preserve the power of impeachment which the Framers placed in the Constitution. Without the power to subpena papers, materials. things necessary. the Congress cannot meet its constitutional responsibilities. I submit that for a Chief Magistrate to prevent the Congress from meeting its congressional duty, its constitutional duty, is no different than when the President himself violates the Constitution. The offense is just as grave. It is a high crime in the classic sense which the Framers intended when Mr. when they used that phrase in the Constitution. Mr. Chairman, before it was indicated that the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. McClory. in presenting this article might, have been inconsistent in the sense that, whether or not he now feels or anyone feels that we need the material requested by this committee and statement would find affirmatively in fact on articles of impeachment claiming that, the, President had not given us material which we now would by implication say is unnecessary. In response to that I would say that this committee made a determination at the time we voted the subpenas and we voted the subpenas in May, in April, by votes of 37 to 1, 29 to 9, 34 to 4. This committee said at that time we, needed this material. The President at, that time said he would refuse to turn the material over to us. So we measure this particular article in the time in which it is seen, not, in terms of whether subsequent to that fact we have or have not acquired sufficient evidence to make the determinations we are set upon today. Furthermore, it has been suggested that in many areas we may not have sufficient evidence even to this date. Articles of impeachment which could be in areas such as ITT, dairy, and other areas, may not well be endorsed by this committee for the reason in fact that we do not have the materials which we found necessary to our inquiry but which the President has rejected. This article is the only answer this committee can give. I yield back the balance of my time, Mr. Chairman. [00.57.00]